i have to write an essay about abotion for my Theory of Knowledge class and i just want to get some more people's perspective on the issue so if you could tell me what you are and why, that would be great. i myself am Pro-choice because i think it is the individual woman's choice to get one or not.

Pro-Chocie. I've known too many girls who've ended up with kids they don't want and just as many decided to have abortions for various reasons. I think it's every womans personal decision and no one should be able to dictate how they choose to proceed with life. Some girls are just too young, some have very serious addictions and some just don't want kids. I also don't think it's fair to judge people on what the decide to do where abortions are concerned. I think more women shouldreally educate themselves as to what exactly an abortion is though, what the risks are, what the after effects are and so forth because it's very emotionally draining and can have very serious physical effects should something go wrong. The thing I find interesting is that many women who are now pro-life have had abortions in the past. They seem to have felt that they made a poor choice or that they need to redeem themselves in some way I guess.

Basically i have some very mixed feelings on this issue. Overall, i feel that abortion is a negative thing, however there is a time and a place for it. This whole situation can be entirely avoided by the use of protection. The more people become educated about the use of condoms and pills, the less "accidents" will occur. Less accidents translate to less abortion. Less abortion translates to a happier and healthier society. Christains are against abortion because they view it as "murder". Technically the baby is not born so no actual person is killed though. Apparently, christains just dont understand that. ahhh, my thoughts are all over the map today..i cant focus. haha, anyways.....remember this: abortion is an ethical issue based upon your beliefs. Technically, there is no right and wrong on this one...its just what you believe in. Do you believe that aborting a fetus is accpetable or not? thats the issue....

Posted by: Aras_Tamoliunas This whole situation can be entirely avoided by the use of protection. The more people become educated about the use of condoms and pills, the less "accidents" will occur. Less accidents translate to less abortion. Less abortion translates to a happier and healthier society.

condoms break, the pill is only 95% reliable, and im sure a lot of rapists do think about putting on anything.

Christains are against abortion because they view it as "murder". Technically the baby is not born so no actual person is killed though. Apparently, christains just dont understand that.

i agree with this full-heartedly, but its not just Christians. its basicaly any religion that views that if you were "blessed" with a child, its "Gods" will for you to have a child.

i cant help the way i feel, but abortion discuists me, in my eyes its very wrong, if its not planned percaution should always been taken into consideration, if its an accident then its a different story, my cousin was in this situation at 17 but her mum persuaded her to keep, the baby boy is 2 now and she never regrets it she has alot of family support to help aswell. in a way yes it is murder i think its vile this issue makes me quiver just talking about it, at an early age yes it can ruin your whole life having a baby that early but surely these another answer than literally killing it

Abortion bad = Good The Freedom to Choose = Good While i dont like it. Its not my life.

pro choice but against the practice of abortion. I don't believe that it is just christians pressing their belief that a child is a gift from god, there is something inherently wrong with putting surgical steel in the womb and terminating the life that was growing. This is the same with any life that is starting. Sometimes we see a need to send people out into forests to kill off fresh plant growth that may encroach on new seedlings. I disagree. Forests should grow the way the law of nature permits. Existentialists would say that a soul has not yet entered the body at the fetus stage and so would I. A seedling is hardly a "tree" either... Perhaps the reason there is a polararity on this issue, what with the pro lifes and the pro choices and all, is that there is a inate feeling amonst us that we should not get ourselves into these situations in the first place. Say what you want from a feminist or even atheist point of view but I don't really see that this is a natural path to follow. If you get on, you kind of have to deal with it when you fall off. Who said sex should be so irresponsible anyways. Yes condoms break and yes the pill is *only* effective 95% of the time but I hardly see that these portions are relevant as they are small portions. We need to stop sleeping with people we can't handle mothering or fathering possible children with. These are vampire tendancies indeed.... edit: my friend just offered up the term "pro keeping it real" [Edited on 1/12/2006]

Any way you look at it, it's a touchy subject. There's tons of other avenues that could be taken should abortion become a non-option. Adoption for starters. There's many people out there who can't have kids and are more than ready to provide a loving home. I change my mind of the issue daily, but stay pro-choice because as I said, it's every woman's right to decide which path their life should take. As for it being murder, imo after the first tri-mester, I totally agree. After the first tri-mester there is a very distinc heart beat, fingers, toes, limbs begin to develope etc. People who argue that it's "just a blob, not human etc." I think are a bit delusional or for whatever reason are maybe trying to justify their stance on the issue.

^yes, amy, its a very touchy subject. Like i said, i have mixed feelings about it and i change my mind all the time too. Glad you agree about not aborting the baby after the first tri-mester.. I guess when it comes down to it, its a case by case issue. I think there are some cases where an abortion is a very natural and logical solution, but in others, its disgusting, as Goose would call it. For instance, like zerochik said, a rapist doesnt often think to put on protection. In that particular case it would be perfectly to have an abortion.....I mean who would want a kid by some rapist? *cringes* On a side note....I dont think i mentioned this in my last post, but I was at one time adamantly pro-life. Its interesting how beliefs change over time. hipequanimous: welcome to the forums...i hope you enjoy good posts, guys. keep it up. its nice to have active discussions in this section of the forums. [Edited on 1/12/2006]

I'm starting to notice that all subjects on this part of the forum wich are labeled as 'controversial' or 'touchy' are actualy legalised and commonly accepted things in my country. The Netherlands are (apparently) pretty advanced in matters like these. Me personaly believe that it is everyones personal choice wheter or not they keep the child they 'accidentaly' happen to be having. Being pregnant without wanting it is actualy your own fault. Condoms are sold everywhere and aren't realy expensive, so is the birthcontrol pill (at least thats how it is in the Netherlands...). Not using any of these, is imo a very stupid move. But should it happen (maybe alcohol related) it should be possible to get rid of the baby wich in the Netherlands isn't considered a baby for the first 3 months. After those 3 months it is illegal to get rid of it, personaly i think this is a pretty good regulation. If you give birth to the 'unwanted' child you should of course be able to sing it up for adoption (is that the right way to form the scentence?) well, that's it for my point of view...

vote regressive. Against abortion, for killing babies. www.maddox.xmission.com

Kutpuber - nicely put. I agree completely! But remember - there's one more point that's central to this issue...it's not just the safety of the unborn child that is at stake - it is also the safety of the pregnant woman. Let's face it - if abortion was made to be an illegal act again - women would have to turn to illegal routes to obtain an abortion - many of which are completely unsafe or just plain dangerous to their health - that's the way it was before legalisation. You know the bad reference about a coathanger - it came from somewhere - and it was real! There were also other methods practiced...mild poisons and the like....all of which could kill not only the child but the pregnant woman was well - if not kill then damage her body or health for life. Some been around since before the time of the Romans if not before (and still not safe!!). When abortion is a legal act - administered by health care professionals - the potential damage to the pregnant woman in kept to a minimum. Let's face it - there are some - desperate or determined enough - legal or illegal - there are those that would see to have an abortion. The decision to legalise abortion took this into account - and it should be taken into account when discussing this issue.

sixgun: excellent point. I never even considered the safety of the women performing an illegal operation. Almost that alone seals the case imo. Abortion should be legal, just with restrictions. Kutpuber: haha, i like your observation. It seems to be quite true. You country is quite advanced, but it is also quite small. With smaller countries and less diverse populations, its easier to create laws and regulations that appease all. Here in the US there is a very broad spectrum in terms of religion, economy, culture, etc. Harder to appease all groups....

If you make it illegal. They will just find another way to kill the fetus.

^^^^^^ EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: swazi_man2006 Ok...umm..didnt i already say all of this already?...im pretty sure i already stated that lol...o well tho, glad 2 c some1 agrees tho...----Alex

I dont read your posts very often.

Wicca I belive the creater of the thread asked for peoples opinions. And thats means everyone's opinions not just the opinions of pro-choice people I myself am Pro-life but I believe in stem cell research. I notice a lot of people know the stems come from aborted fetuses but a lot of people don't know it comes from [b][i]Spontaniously Aborted [/i][/b]feutses or in simpler terms a "miscarrage". Any who I know mistakes happen and people get pregnant when they don't want kids I mean most of them are kids themselves. But did you people ever think of the less expensive alternative known as [b][i]Adoption?[/i][/b] I mean with abortion you are hurting yourself maybe not now but in the long run when you want to have kids. A high percentage of women who had abortions found out when they wanted to have kids they couldn't because the abortion from years before damaged their reproductive sytstem. Also there are the people who want to adopt a child that get hurt by it as well. Did you ever wonder why so many children are being adopted here from over seas? Maily because there aren't a lot of children in America to adopt because most of the children that could of got put up for adoption were aborted ~Figgy~

F_m, the reason so many children are being adopted from overseas is not solely because of abortion rates in North America. There is a huge campaign going on right now to adopt from other countries which is actually leaving many still orphaned in North America. It's like a new fad. There's so many more children in other countries with so much less than can be provided to orphaned children in NA that agencies are encouraging adopting overseas far more than from home. You also make adoption sounds so easy, but have you ever stodd beside a close friend who's giving up her baby? It's probably the most heart wrenching thing I've ever experienceed so far in my life. For a woman to carry her child for 9 months, give birth and never be able to see the life she ultimately created is far worse in guilt than abortion for some women.

Posted by: swazi_man2006 hey wicca girl, if you dont like my opinions then dont reed them, but i got myself some freedom of speech and if u dont like it then do summin bout it....and i think any1 that has an abortion or performs them are baby killers...sry if u dont c it the way i c it....-----Alex so you are against killing an unborn fetus but not against the murdering of a bunch of innocent people in concentration camps? [Edited on 2/28/2006]

hahahaha wtf, you jackass. All in favor of having Swazibitch aborted? [Edited on 3/1/2006]

Posted by: QTanthony69 hahahaha wtf, you jackass. All in favor of having Swazibitch aborted?

here here. I wish he had been aborted. Then we could defecate on the his corpse then throw the body into a pigs pen after starving them for a couple days. "They will go through bone like butter"

I second the motion.

Posted by: swazi_man2006 Yes i am against the killing of an unborn baby that SHOULD BE SAFE IN ITS MOTHERS WOMB INSTEAD OF BEING MURDERED!...and those ppl in concentration camps were not innocent of anything im afraid to say, so no im not against the murder of all those jews...except the babies and women, unless she (woman) was a traitor...-----Alex

i have to say that im glad to see you have some human trait in your system

i relize everyone has flaws and they get picked out and get attacked, but you have to think about it... you cant attack something thats not a flaw... then you're just looking for a fight. [Edited on 3/3/2006]

Too bad the Garden of Eden doesn't exist lol!...----------QTAnthony