ok, another one of those controversial issues that i just want to see your guys' opinions on. my opinion: im for homosexual marriage. whay cant they experience the same joy as a heterosexual? [Edited on 1/12/2006]

I absolutely agree with you. Over here in the Netherlands it is actually legaly accepted and also in the public opinion very much accepted as a normal thing. Why should people who have other sexual preferences be treated any different than us? [Edited on 1/12/2006]

Let them marry. It isnt really that big of an issue.....unless your a biblethumper. Then your opinion is just biased by a rather large fictional novel.

Vaughan had a good quote about this from a comedian about gay marriage.....I believe it was George Carlin.....he said.... They have just as much a right to be as miserable as the rest of us!! Sorry...the quote stuck....by I'm bad with verbatim recall....and well....names too for that matter....but that's the gist of it!!

Let them do what they want imo. Sexual orientation means shit. If they wanna have the ability to join the millions of other miserable sob's and divorced sob's let them, who are we to say any different?

ok there are two issues concerning gay marriage...i dont think most people realize this: issue 1: homosexual marriage condoned by the government. In this regard, homosexual marriage should be completely legal in my eyes. 2 people want to live a life together and they want marriage status and all the goodies that comes with that status...fine with me issue 2: many homosexuals want to marry in churches and be accepted by religions. For instance, the catholic church just a few months ago would not allow gays to marry in their church, nor would the church elders recognize the couple as married. I think that it should be up to the institution whether or not they want to allow gays in their church. If they dont want them there, they dont have to be there. and its not discrimmination. its like having an organization dedicating to helping women through pregnancy and the members wouldnt want guys in there....its just their preference....

I agree where Church is concerned. They have their own set of values, for lack of a better word, and see things from a religious standpoint, and that does not include homosexuality for the most part. And wile they accept that there is a majority of people who are homosexual it should not be forced upon them to conform with whatever constitutional rights are being re-defined. They hold the sanctity of marriage and it's traditional definition in high regard, and that's their right imo. And while many may not agree with it, too bad. It's like many other things, if you don't like it go elsewhere. I don't think being married in a church has any more definition or validity than being married by a jp at City Hall.

The church shouldn't be concerned. Our countries have this thing, uhh fuc.k, whats that called again, you don't see it too much in the U.S. but uhhhh, oh yeah, Seperation Of Church and State. Basically the church's opinions mean s.hit. when it comes to federal decisions. There should be no question behind gay marriage. The fags have to face that according to jesus and his cult, if you're homosexual, you're going to burn. The religions have to learn they, in no way, are affiliated with the government and therefore, in a case regaurding civil rights, (or any case at all!) they shut up since no one cares what naz.is have to say. Nothing in the outcome of the decision does it affect any religion. No one is forcing priests to marry gay couples so religions can bite it. [Edited on 1/13/2006]

haha if the government were still run by biblethumpers. Gay people would be hanging by there throats or being set a flame.

Amy restated my point excellently...thats exactly what i was trying to say. Whisky: not only would the homosexuals be burned, all of us would be too with all of our "extreme" modern views.

haaha i would def be burned if the church was in power. haha aras ill tell you the story of tonight sometime. But xXxX the redneck kids round here sure get riled up when we say xXxX. [edit morning after] oh shit haha i need to quit drinking. [Edited on 1/14/2006]

whisky: hahaha, you and your drinking. how many posts do you think you post under the influence compared to posting while sober?

I dont know man. But im drunk again. And im drinking Whiskey!

^no wonder your posts never make sense, whisky.

you can't be serious with that post! put them in camps is what you say? you sound more like your precious little adolf every time you open your mouth!

Posted by: swazi_man2006 Gays of any sex is WRONG and against what God had in mind (im sure some1 is gonna comment on xXxXs bein not what God had in mind either, so i know what im gettin myself into when sayin this)...if some guy likes long hard objects being shoved up his a s s then i got a 9mm pistol or a .22 for him, do you think he would like that object shoved up his a s s ...so either we seperate gays from the rest of us or we exterminate them, i will go for either, but hey, if they wanna be gay then let em, just dont marry them...and if u do marry them, do it without a priest, bc God DOES NOT condone such a thing, let a damn judge or some1 else do the "wedding"...-------Alex

And I suppose you have a bible that wasn’t touched by man that can prove what you said about "God"? I would love to let everyone practice their right to freedom of speech but what you said is just offensive. Extermination camps should never had been invented and please, “Mein Kompf” is supposed to be read, not shoved up your as, although you may like it

^point to take note: America had concentration camps, but they didnt have extermination camps. America didnt actually exterminate groups of individuals. I am not saying that our troops didnt shoot some people..its possible, but not like what happened in Germany... anyways, whatever happened to NOT deviating away from the subject? you guys reprimanded me earlier for going a lil offsubject....*waves finger*......you guys are hypocrites! hahahaha

Swazi....you're entitled to your opinion...but like your opinion of gays - which I think is perfectly acceptable for you to have...it's your mind....forcing that opinion - on others - especially the reference to firearms and anuses was just plain offensive....as offensive as you find gay people's choice and their ensuing behaviour. And the idea of a "gay world" - dude that's what the "gay village" in every city is for...there's the area in most larger towns - and gay people do tend to gravitate there....but seriously - what you suggest is far too selfish and unreasonable as far as shipping them off to their own land - and it would just never work. Now...if a gay person does hit on you....just treat it like the ugliest girl you've ever seen just hit on you...the same way.....just be firm and tell the person you're not interested...or if you're a crass motherf_cker....just say f_ck off..... Now......at least you did say in the end - in two seperate posts that they should be allowed to be married by a judge...so to have a legal marriage - which would do a whole world of good to gay people....and I also think it is unreasonable of homosexuals to expect the Church - in whatever form...to accept gay marriage...but I do think they should have a legal right as it appears you believe as well. So hats off to that. I hope your readings into Hitler and and I'm guessing similar books isn't because or doesn't turn you into a white supremacist or something of the like - it would be a shame if someone your age - obviously bright enough to read a book like Mein Kompf and understand it realises that it would be ridiculous to believe in such values but as I stated earlier...your mind your choice...but if that's what you believe - reread the analogy to how others view it as comparable to your views on gay people...on a side note - an interesting read that book is.....especially when you consider it's effect on the world...but I truly hope you're not taking it to heart.....and as far as you mentioning segregation - segregation will never work...and tends to lead to more war - problems and unhappiness than anyone really wants - good for no one I'm sure you'd agree! Also the idea of a master race is laughable - but anyways....I'm hoping you're just getting into this bit out of intellectual curiosity - and your choice of name and pic - is more of an in your face statement of tying to show that you are different than one of your true values. A final side note.....American companies were highly influencial in the ability of Nazi death camps being able to be run in the manner of volume and efficiency that they were - IBM developed processing machines so that people could be more efficiently send on their merry way to the camps.....and regularly sent tech help over there to work on those machines to make sure their developed "product" worked properly and to work out any bugs.....no way that many people would have been processed as easily without it....funny how things like that get glossed over in the history books...but history is always told by the victor....at least it was until more recent times - but now alternative history is available........one more akin to the truth...still requires a desire to find it and some huntin. Oh.....and Fanta is Nazi coke (yes I know it's orange flavoured).....look up the history of that one and you'll know what I'm saying....and there's far far more......that's it for me....

wow - n a z i gets edited out....who'd have thought??

^sixgun, you hit it perfectly..man that was good. a real pleasure to read haha. props for spending the time to write it! like i have said before, segregation is not the future and it will never work...the human race has slowly been evolving towards globalism. we started with families and clans and finally migrated to nations. Now, we will eventually be experiencing world cooporation. It is very scary, actually....but it is the future. BTW, interesting note about the IBM machines used in death camps...i never knew that.

Posted by: Aras_Tamoliunas BTW, interesting note about the IBM machines used in death camps...i never knew that.

From the movie "The Corporation"

Posted by: swazi_man2006 O that truly is some funny stuff you all said...but what can i say? Heil Hitler!...lol....and i am currently reading Mein Kampf, i am halfway through it on the chapter called Nation and Race (in my opinion the best chp. so far)...and just so u know zerochik....America made the gas chambers used in the concentration camps, and America also used concentration camps on the japs, i am assuming ur an american tho so dont get on ur high horse and deel judgement out to ppl that ur own did as well....o u reed me like a book zero, o yea i like books shoved up my a s s...LMAO!!!....if some1 wants to b gay, then as long as they arent advertising it or showing it rite in front of me in public or anywhere else or shoving it in my face, let them b gay as long as they dont try to recruit or force it upon me, and i dont wanna c any of that xXxX of gays together in public....------Alex

so i suppose you could tell me when we americans used the camps on the japs? oh, and i dont know about the gays and lesbians where you are but i have never met any homosexual who has advertised their sexual prefrence in hopes of recruting more.

i have 2 words... DON'T LOOK!!!

Eh, I could care less if they get married or not as long as they don't run arround openly advertising it. But I don't believe that they should get married in a church like some of them complain about. Since a lot of religions are against homosexuality they have the right not to serve them. Also if you don't want to see it don't look at it, if you accidentally see it...um lets se you can um Look Away maybe? Change the channel and erase it from your memory?

ok, i get what you are saying figster_meister, but then i have one question... lets that Christianity for example... if "God" sent his only son to die for all mortal sin and the idea of Homosexuality is a sin, then to me it sounds like people are picking and choosing which aspect of sin they think Jesus will forgive. it doesnt make sence. so instead of casting them out, why not open your arms and except their sin. and another thing, a non-religious person who doesnt believe in a high power is alowed to marry in the holy church but someone else with a different sexual prefrence (who might believe in this higher power) cant even experience this?