Posted by: swazi_man2006 and Zerochik, you make a good point, and I assume you do not believe in God because you put him in quotations so I am dealing with an Atheist I assume...yes Jesus/God (one in the same) will forgive us for any and all sin if we properly ask for it and try to be rid of it out of our lives...and in my opinion, a sin such as homosexuality is a different kind of sin than summin else such as murder......------Alex

ok, first, you are right, i dont believe in "God" but that does not make me and Athiest. Athiest dont believe in a higher power and only face the facts of reality and belive only science can prove our existance. i believe in much the same things as Pagens do but with out the idea of someone or something of a higher spirituality than i am. second, about the "there being a different kind of sin", how types of sin are there? in the bible it states that a sin is any act against "God". [b][i]ANY[/i][/b]!

i know what the hell a sin is... believe me! my jesus freak brother lectures me about it everyday! as you can tell, im having a real fucking great day myself. so how the hell are you able to sit there and write that there are different severities of sinning. are you "God" and know exactly what goes on up there at your judgement??? no i think not!!

* Figgy slaps swazi* Don't ever tell the Fig Effect to shut up! Any who calm it down moon happies lol. Well I am agnostic but I think I know what the hell Swazi is talking about amongst the cluster fuck of "mortal sins " and other stuff. Well I believe he is trying to say if the church held a gay marriage they would be supporting a sin, thus making their goal counter productive. (( On a side note from what I read of the bible ALL sins are equally evil in the eyes of god except for suicide since you deny god permenatly. But hey what do I know I'm not christian anymore))

friggin homos they shouldnt have any rights at all either that or they should all go to jail to get what they like

^ i always love intelligent, eloquent posts like this one, especially in the politiks section. its such a joy to read

if there were to have been a law that permitted the marriage of two men, I think that this world will come to an irrevocable end. There would be an exponential increase in the depravity of the american people. Those of us with the "alternate lifestyle" are SICK and TWISTED. Don't even give me this bullshit about the "fact" that they are born that way. They may have the hormones of a woman but their physicality if that of a man. That is a perversion of the natural order and of the savred bond of marriage.

I was going to bash Arcadiac, but he is from Utah. Cut the redneck some slack. Hahaha actually, everyone arguing against homosexual marriage is from the dirty South. Go figure. [Edited on 3/31/2006]

Or a fundamentalist Christian N a z i.... ....I pray every night for guys like that, and for those oppressed by this kind of obtuse nonsense.

Religion is like a baby blanket. Except buddhism.

I can't remember who said it first or what the exact words it were, but I thought this quote was quite true... "People, when they set out on a search for God often end up finding religion instead." Again, not an actuate quote but close enough. All religions seem to be, are different answers to the same questions. And to say another way of life is bad or even evil compared with your own, especially if it's not threatening you or you family, is born from an attitude that is part of a very tiresome, selfish and even dangerous human characteristics. Think of how much pain and suffering it has cause the world and the people living in it. War after war after war. We just can't live next to each other, even though it's impossible not to. Leave other people (and their own sovern life) the fuck alone, as they are not bothering you, and recognize their equal rights. The world is not ending because of gayness. Quite the opposite is true. What business do we have to control how people live their life. Let them be judged by their creator. And get a life of your own while you're at it... It would do us all a favor if we could relax about gay people. Look around at the world, isn't there something else we could be focusing our angry energy on? How bout trying to fix something that can be fixed to start with? God, the time people waste, while the house burns to the ground all around them. Leave the 1 in 10 that are gay..... alone, please. Their numbers have always been there and yes it's natural. You ever see a female cat, monkey or dog try to hump everything in sight? Trust the research.... it's perfectly natural, and in humans also.

Homosexuals may have been born with the chemistry that makes them produce more estrogen than testosterone, but they, as individuals have the right to choose wether or not they can act on those impulses. Though you may think you are correct in saying that gays are helpless, Taiwan, the truth is that the homosexuals that decide to pursue their sick and twisted way of life are of weak moral fiber. Furthermore, I agree, we need to leave them alone. On a desert island and wait for them to all die off because they cannot propogate themselves. -arcadiac

Posted by: Arcadiac_2120 Homosexuals may have been born with the chemistry that makes them produce more estrogen than testosterone, but they, as individuals have the right to choose wether or not they can act on those impulses. Though you may think you are correct in saying that gays are helpless, Taiwan, the truth is that the homosexuals that decide to pursue their sick and twisted way of life are of weak moral fiber. Furthermore, I agree, we need to leave them alone. On a desert island and wait for them to all die off because they cannot propogate themselves. -arcadiac

Not to mechin, this may sound half-minded, but it would get rid of all those clothes, bars, and aids. But i blame the whole aids thing on the africans. Ask me if you want to know why.

I guess they can get married but I am homophobic so watching gay people make out makes me want to puke! But I don't think that just becuase people think that its gross is a reason to not be happy!

[Edited on 6/2/2006]

Posted by: Pseudo_Logic Posted by: Arcadiac_2120 Homosexuals may have been born with the chemistry that makes them produce more estrogen than testosterone, but they, as individuals have the right to choose wether or not they can act on those impulses. Though you may think you are correct in saying that gays are helpless, Taiwan, the truth is that the homosexuals that decide to pursue their sick and twisted way of life are of weak moral fiber. Furthermore, I agree, we need to leave them alone. On a desert island and wait for them to all die off because they cannot propogate themselves. -arcadiac Not to mechin, this may sound half-minded, but it would get rid of all those clothes, bars, and aids. But i blame the whole aids thing on the africans. Ask me if you want to know why.

How are you the worst person in the world? Im well aware thats a personal attack, and Ill defend it.

[Edited by therealposer on 1/5/2007 at 8:48 PM]

Posted by therealposer

ok u guys talk about how us bible beater r pushing our views on u...its the other way around bitch, we were here first! and answer this question why do gay men act like woman and the other way around? OH! OH! I KNO! IKNO! PIC ME! PIC ME! its because wether they like it or not they r still drawn to aspects of the other sex. which brings up a another question of mine. where do u people draw your morals or lack there of from? MTV n shit like that? your parents should be ashamed of themselves. and for those of u who think the south is evil ur so stupid,  yes slavery is wrong but that is only a small issue in the civil war. the reason most in the south fought w the north was they had the right to succeed from the nation and the north fought them on it. For those of u who dont like the south u need a history lesson...stupid public schools...and liberal Cala. oh by the way i cant be upset w zerochik she's from Cala. they r expected to b stupid liberal dumbasses who dont kno a damn thing n need to get a clue.

[Edited by therealposer on 1/5/2007 at 8:48 PM]

i hav several "Nigger "  friends as you put it Whisky, of which im am very fond. i dont hate fags i just disagree w them, i love the person but hate(not strong enough of a word) the sin. and i get my moral views from what i hear, read, and study. i take the info given to me and figure out what i agree w and dont agree with and yes my views can change and hav several times. i disagree w som of my parents views, but i agree with most of them. and nether of my parents r Christian which is why i am. i dont want to turn out like the rest of the world, like you whisky. and religion is for those who seek something greater than this wold or whats on it. its not for the week if anything it is more difficult than beleaving in nothing. 

Posted by therealposer
i hav several "Nigger "  friends as you put it Whisky, of which im am very fond. i dont hate fags i just disagree w them, i love the person but hate(not strong enough of a word) the sin. and i get my moral views from what i hear, read, and study. i take the info given to me and figure out what i agree w and dont agree with and yes my views can change and hav several times. i disagree w som of my parents views, but i agree with most of them. and nether of my parents r Christian which is why i am. i dont want to turn out like the rest of the world, like you whisky. and religion is for those who seek something greater than this wold or whats on it. its not for the week if anything it is more difficult than beleaving in nothing. 

 

[edit] Dictionary definitions of "cult"

The Merriam-Webster online dictionary lists five different meanings of the word "cult"³².

1. Formal religious veneration
2. A system of religious beliefs and ritual; also: its body of adherents;
3. A religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also: its body of adherents;
4. A system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator;
5. Great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book).

The Random House Unabridged Dictionary definitions are:

1. A particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies;
2. An instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers;
3. The object of such devotion;
4. A group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc;
5. Group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols;
6. A religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader;
7. The members of such a religion or sect;
8. Any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific. "

[Edited by Whisky on 07/01/2007 at 3:02 PM]

ok
so i see alot of people standing on different sides of the fence here, well you might think that if a guy wants to stick his dick into an asshole hes not equal to you. well i think that this idea is kinda stupid, your wasting your breath, your time, yourr life on something that you cannot stop ever. the fact is there are gay people, and thats it. and quite frankly, i find it to be quite childish when i hear people bashing gays. because that makes you a type of racist, now wouldnt god be proud (for those basing there arguments on god), that you guys are making these people feel like shit, and hurting them. Does it not say in the bible to do to others, as you would do to yourself? and by making fun of gays would that not be going against the word of god, therefore it being a sin?
reading this last statement, i thought to my self, if this is true, would it not make the religious system a falsity? They are going against the will of god, which theyfight for soo bad?
i dont know , mayby im a bit ignorant on the subject.
but i say leave them them alone.
what buisiness do we have in there lives?

if you would call marriage a religious act, why would it be illegal. if its a religious act, than what does the government have to do with it. theres a seperation of church and state. why is state involved.

athiests, muslims, and buddhists can get married anywhere they want in this country with no problem as long as they are marrying someone of the opposite sex... and still its a religious ceremony.. ofcourse it is.

my neighbor, a doctor from india. he is seikh, and married to a women who was born christian.

i also know two athiests who have been married for 20 years and still love eachother very much.

if a strait couple can get married a receive tax breaks and benefits. than no human being should be denied those rights just because of their sexual preference.